If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. Flaw in reasoning. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. You seem to have a fragile ego. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Not sure why anyone is defending her. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. False. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. Its never been made clear. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. Stop. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. How so? She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? Prosecutors said Said, a native of Egypt, was angry that his daughters were dating and that the boys were not Muslim. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. You murdered your girls," she said. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Thats my life.. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Her mother was married to my uncle. Wow. You people are fighting a losing cause! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Stop it.. SHAME ON THEM. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. Theres speculation and theres lies period. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. None. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. A correction to the comment above. Beautifully said Cliff! Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. 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Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. At that time he was living in Connecticut. (We didnt get into the specifics.). Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Or did they? Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Youre absolutely right!! WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. However, Said never called 911. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. 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The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Deal refused. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. Am I missing something? Im dying. (Ross Township Police Department). Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Former Most-Wanted Fugitive Accused in 2008 Honor Killings of Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 You took my family all in one night," she said. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Murdering Mother Hidden Face of Honor Killing I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. Petition JUSTICE for Amina & Sarah Said: To interrogate Patricia Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". Or did they? The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. He was happy. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Missouri's Governor Pardons The St. Louis Lawyers Who Waved How is it that these women are paroled? Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. Its barely visible in the picture. Jerry Browns office. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. "It's been an honor and privilege to stand up and be an advocate for Sarah. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Unbloody vehicle. She definitely did it. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Patricia Patricia Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee.
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